Synthetic Oil
Synthetic oil
Roger Crawford responded to arguments against using synthetic oil:
The advantage of synthetic over conventional oil was its resistance to thermal breakdown, in a daily driver thermal breakdown is not an issue
[Roger wrote:] Synthetic has a better shear capability, better cling, and thermal breakdown IS an issue in a daily driver. More so if it's a turbo car.
[Dan Stern added:] Other [advantages] include much lower pour point, much less viscosity change over time, and flat-out better lubricity. All of these are quite advantageous indeed--even in daily drivers. That lower pour point is particularly good--it means that oil gets where it needs to be much more rapidly after a cold start, especially in very cold weather. ... What you refer to as "thermal breakdown" manifests itself as sludge and that tarlike goo that comes out of your crankcase every 3k miles. It happens on daily drivers! If you're not driving in conditions that let you take advantage of the lower pour point of synthetic oil, then you're most likely driving in conditions that let you take advantage of the resistance to thermal breakdown.
the additives in oil reduce have a limited life, thus waiting longer between changes has disadvantages because the additives lose their effectiveness
Synthetic by design is less prone to breakdown, and does not need the quantity of additives necessary to make dino juice an "effective" oil. Synthetic is much less prone to coking, and less prone to varnish than conventional oil.
[Dan Stern elaborated:] Oil additives do not deteriorate over time--only over usage. Some modes of usage are harder on oil than others. Lots of short trips put lots of water and acid, etc. in the oil, and things never get hot enough to boil off these contaminants. That's why you hear to change the oil every x,000 miles or x months--because if you're not driving x,000 miles over a period of x months, you're making this kind of short-trip contamination.
the more you change the oil, the better
Correct. I run synthetic. I still change every 3000 miles. It's cheap insurance. My engine has run synthetic, and quality filters since day one. Pull a valve cover, it looks like it was built yesterday inside. [Webmaster note: read the Dan Stern argument below for another viewpoint. Also note that General Motors’ research indicates that 10,000 mile oil changes may actually be quite safe - if conditions are right. GM is actually switching from standard intervals to computer monitoring.]
I thought that once you used conventional oil over time the seals swell more, when then switching to synthetic oil, the seals reduce in size and leaks can develop
If you have leaks with regular oil, you'll have leaks with synthetic. If you have leaks with synthetic, you'll have leaks with regular oil.
Edgar Atheling wrote:
I had several mechanics tell me that [switching to synthetic on high-mileage vehicles] would ruin the seals and cause (or increase) oil leaks. One mechanic stated that the oil consumption in his personal vehicle increased dramatically (about one quart every 750 miles) after switching to synthetic oil in a high mileage car.
My (empirical) evidence: I not experienced ANY increase in oil consumption in either of my high mileage vehicles.
I don't know...chaulk it up to folklore I guess.
BTW, there's really no way to tell if the severe duty filter will fit unless you pull off the old one and do a comparison. As Daniel stated previously, make sure the threads and gasket are the same, and make sure that it will fit without interference.
Oil change intervals
Dan Stern wrote:
Our '92 LeBaron currently is on a schedule of oil changes with Mobil-1 10w30 every 16,000 miles, with a new MoPar Severe Duty oil filter (53020311...VERY heavy duty oil filter that is specced for the Ram V10 and fits my 2.2 Turbo Dodge Spirit R/T, my 2.5 LeBaron, the Slant-6s in the '62 and '65, and will fit just about any V8 Chrysler has made in the last 4 decades) every 8,000 miles. The engine has close to 100k on it and consumes exactly a pint of oil every 8,000 miles--if that. Things looked great inside when it was pulled apart for a preventive-maintenance head gasket change.
[Note: Be sure to check the fit of the Severe Duty filter before using it. It is larger than standard filters, and may not fit all cars properly. On cars like the Neon, it may not be appropriate because it might hit road objects too easily.]
16,000 miles surely seems like a long time for an oil change, and it is, and it goes very much against my previously firm belief in the 3,000 mile interval. But I dropped in the Mobil-1 10w-30 and the XHD oil filter as a part of the just-purchased-it cleandown (check for codes, full tune, oil change, check all brakes, replace burnt bulbs, etc.). I kept checking the oil and seeing a crankcase full of mighty clean engine oil which didn't smell or feel any different from the stuff that came right out of the bottle. It grew slightly dark--think "soy sauce" if new oil is "honey"--but no darker. It never got sticky or gritty or began to smell gasoliny or carbonacious. It was down by a pint (half a quart!) at 8,000 miles, so I changed the XHD filter, added a quart and a pint, and had my mother keep driving.
When I drained the oil at 16,000, it looked great and smelled and felt fine. So in short, I didn't do this because I read about it, or because somebody told me I should, or to rationalize the higher cost of Mobil-1. I did it based solely on my own executive decision.
We're closing in on our second 16,000 mile interval, and will probably hit it within the year. When the engine was apart for a head gasket, everything looked great. No abnormal wear anywhere, no weird noises, no oil pressure problems, no smoke, so...what can I say? More notes on the 53020311 Severe Duty oil filter: List is around $7.something per filter. They fit all four of our cars, so I buy them by the case and pay $4.30/filter. It's built with very good materials and workmanship. I have yet to find a sample--and I have cut several open--with sloppy or incomplete gluing, half-assed construction, foreign material inside the filter, etc. The antidrainback and overpressure relief valves are MUCH more robustly designed than any other filter I've ever examined for this application (and there have been many). The filter element inside is *very* large. I like this filter a lot.
Webmaster update: General Motors has started fitting its cars with a computer based monitoring system which determines the need for oil changes based on driving habits, weather, and other conditions. They find that many customers can safely change their oil at 10,000 miles, rather than 3,000 miles.
Also see our discussion of Consumer Reports’ study that shows no difference between any motor oils.
