Last updates: May 17, 2016 (proxy services); October 8, 2014 (added separate forum terms).
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The Sites include but are not limited to acarplace.com, ptcruizer.com, valiant.org, pentastars.com, macstats.org, rootes-chrysler.co.uk, and allpar.com.
Each party agrees that any suit, action or proceeding brought by such party against the other in connection with or arising from the Terms of Service ("Judicial Action") shall be governed by the law of the state of residence of the registered Administrative Contact (the "Admin State") for the Website as such laws are applied to agreements between Admin State residents entered into and performed entirely within the Admin State. You consent to the jurisdiction of federal and state courts within the Admin State. You consent to the venue in any action brought against him in connection with breaches of these Terms of Service. You consent to electronic service of process regarding actions under the above agreement.
The sites refer to a number of brands which are covered by intellectual property laws including trademarks. This includes Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Jeep, Eagle, Mopar, Consumer Reports, and Consumers Union. Allpar makes no pretentions regarding ownership of these trademarks and is not affiliated with any of the owners of these trademarks. Allpar's use of these trademarks is journalistic in nature only, similar to newspaper and magazine articles discussing these products and organizations.
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Except as specifically permitted herein, no portion of the information or documents on the Sites may be reproduced in any form or by any means without the prior written permission of Allpar. This includes, but is not limited to, "reprinting" on the Web, in newsgroups, and in mailing lists.
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These Sites contains links to third-party Web sites that are not under the control of Allpar. Allpar makes no representations whatsoever about any other Web sites to which you may have access through these Sites. When you access a non-Allpar Web site, you do so at your own risk and Allpar is not responsible for the accuracy or reliability of any information, data, opinions, advice, or statements made on these sites or for the quality of any products or services available on such sites. Allpar provides these links merely as a convenience and the inclusion of such links does not imply that Allpar endorses or accepts any responsibility for the content or uses of such Web sites.
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From time to time Allpar may distribute "profit-sharing" checks. The size, frequency, and existence of these checks is determined solely by Allpar. No formula is used, and payment is neither explicitly nor implicitly promised or implied. Most writers are not renumerated by financial means.
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Allpar reserves the right, without liability, to modify or discontinue any part of the Sites or service offered on them, temporarily or permanently.
(We thank Maxpower.ca for this language.)
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You agree that all user-generated content, including but not limited to comments you leave, correspondence with its authors, participation in dynamic polls or any other form of user-submitted communication with this website is that sole property of the owner of this website. There is no expectation of confidentiality or privacy in any communications you may have with this website or its authors.
You agree that use of the RSS feeds generated by this site is for personal non-commercial news aggregators only. Allpar, LLC will take appropriate legal measures within its rights to protect its content and intellectual property.
Information entered into the 200,000 Mile Club is considered public unless otherwise stated and cannot be removed or changed without the permission of Allpar, LLC.
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Allpar may change the terms and conditions from time to time, and will post the amended terms and conditions on the Site. The amendments become effective immediately when they are posted on this Site and any use of the Site or services provided on it after that date is subject to the amendments. Your continued use of the Site after the posting of the amended terms and conditions constitutes your acknowledgement of the terms and conditions and its modifications. The terms and conditions of this agreement may not otherwise be amended.
We use third-party companies to serve ads and collect non-personally identifiable information (e.g., the pages you visit, and which links you click, which ads you see and click on, and the categories of search terms you enter) when you visit our web site. These companies may use the information outlined above (which does not include your name, address, email address or telephone number) about your visits to this and other web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services of interest to you. These companies often use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. If you would like more information about this practice and to know your choices about not having this information used by these companies, click here (link to the NAI universal user opt-out).
In addition, our server automatically logs certain information which is placed in huge files not accessible to the public. This information is not especially personal and includes IP address (the numeric location of your Internet access point, which is usually an Internet service provider), the page which refered you to our site (if any), your browser and operating system, and other, similar information. We generally do not do anything with this information, but sometimes use summaries of this type of information for planning and server management. This specific information is never shared with people outside of Allpar, LLC except in the case of people who are believed to be spammers (providers of unrelated content posted for advertising or page ranking purposes). If a person is believed to have posted spam to the Allpar weblog or to the forums of any Site, they may be reported to stopforumspam.com or Invision Power without notice.
We do not share e-mail address or other information of people who write to Allpar with outside companies without their consent, and do not add people to mailing lists without their explicit consent.
Our forums require certain information to register, including e-mail addresses and names. Again, this information is not shared with outside companies or organizations. However, we do sometimes send a mailing to forum members - roughly once a year.
If necessary, that is if faced with a subpoena, court order, etc., Allpar, LLC may be forced to provide information we normally do not share with legal or government authorities. According to the Homeland Security Act, we cannot tell you if this happens, but as of September 6, 2011, it has not happened.
We may share information about you with professional advisers, such as legal counsel, when necessary. For particular transactions, such as prepayment of meet fees or sale of merchandise or subscription to paid forum services, information will be shared with payment processors. In the unlikely event that Allpar, LLC or its assets are purchased or transferred as the result of a legal action, your information will be one of the transferred assets.
Information is usually stored on the Sites themselves. Some information may be stored on local computers. This information is usually secured in an encrypted disk image. When you select or receive a password or user code to access parts of the Sites, you are responsible for keeping them confidential and safe. We ask you to use a unique password on the Sites in case they, or other web sites you use, are compromised. Information is stored outside the European Economic Area and we do not necessarily conform to EU privacy standards.
It's not that we don't trust you. We just think everything should be clear...
First, the forums come under the general terms of service, above. Please take a moment to read them. Thanks to Jim Choate for providing some of this wording, many of the ideas, and for being a force behind the forum’s continued healthy operation.
Posts by users of the site are not edited or scrutinized before appearing online. The forum owner does not purport to vouch for the authenticity or veracity of any statements within the forum.
All parties who feel aggrieved by any statements within the forum have free opportunities to provide a rebuttal to those statements within the forum
Parties who feel aggrieved by statements within the forum are also free to contact the webmaster directly and provide justification as to why they believe content to be libelous. If circumstances warrant, steps will be taken to removing the offending material. However, there may be a delay while the opinions of both sides are sought.
The following guidelines are to be followed when participating in the Allpar Forums. Violation of any of these guidelines is subject to a written warning. Repeated violations are subject to additional warnings and possibly the suspension of posting privileges. The Allpar Forum staff reserves the right to immediately suspend an account without warning.
ADDED AND EFFECTIVE AS OF MAY 17, 2016: Use of a proxy service or other “cloak” or IP address shield are grounds for ejection and refusal of service if, in the opinion of the forum administrator(s), the member has been using such shields to violate forum rules and/or to register under a second identity. Enforcement of this rule is at the discretion of the forum administrator(s).
Allpar uses a 4-level warning system. In some cases, an informal warning may be issued which does not increase a user's warning level. In other cases, a written warning will be issued and a user's warning level will increase. More severe or repeated violations, a flagrant disregard for the warning, or a direct attack against the staff as a result of the warning will result in additional warnings and increases in the warning level. After 4 warnings (or when reaching a 100% warning level), your account will be suspended for a minimum of 48 hours. Depending on the issues, suspensions may be extended. Repeated suspensions will result in a complete revocation of board privileges. In some cases, an account may be suspended without warning and IP information may be forwarded to the ISP of offending accounts. Note that only you and the Allpar Staff can see your own warning level - making your warning level a subject of public discussion is not advised. Warning levels may be reduced at the discretion of the Allpar Staff.
Be civil to each other and have a good time. Understand that someone is going to post something that you may not agree with. Consider the point being made and the topic being discussed. If you do not understand it, or if it is not clear, then ask for clarification. If you must respond, offer your counterpoint or opinion without resorting to personal attacks, name-calling, and swearing. If a certain person's posts bother you, you can always use the IGNORE USER option (located under the My Controls link.)
Defined as "a provocative posting intended to produce a large volume of frivolous responses," the terms can also refer to someone making such a posting ("a troll") or to the action ("trolling", "to troll").
The content of a troll posting generally falls into one of several categories. It may consist of an apparently foolish contradiction of common knowledge, a deliberately offensive insult to the readers of the forum, or a broad request for trivial follow-up postings. The result of such postings is frequently a flood of angry responses. In some cases, the follow-up messages posted in response to a troll can constitute a large fraction of the contents of the forum for a long period of time, wasting network resources and costing money for people who pay for Internet access to read these forums. Troll threads also frustrate people who are trying to carry on substantive discussions.
People post such messages to get attention, to disrupt discussion, and to make trouble. The best response to a troll is no response. If you post a follow-up message, you are contributing to the resulting clamor and most likely delighting the troller. Before posting a response, consider the following questions:
Please deal with trolls constructively, and do not participate in trolling, and try not to "feed the trolls." You will help make the forum a much more enjoyable venue for discussion.
"Spam" is an unauthorized posts intended to sell or promote an external website or product, and will not be tolerated. Spam accounts will have their rights revoked without warning. If you encounter what you believe is spam on the forums, please use the "Report" button to alert a moderator.
Use of someone's race, gender, religion or faith, sexual preference, or political leanings to berate or otherwise belittle another member is prohibited. Do not threaten others with physical violence. Insulting huge sections of the country through name-calling based on political or social beliefs is not permitted. Insulting large sections of the Allpar readership by mocking their cars is not permitted.
We get new members every day. Some of them will post questions that may seem foolish to the veterans. You should answer the person's questions to the best of your abilities. If you know a resource exists, then offer a link to it - don't just tell the person "search for it." If it has been discussed before, then post the link to the previous discussion so that it may be continued. There are also over 1500 pages of information on Allpar.com - if they apply to the topic at hand, then link to it.
Keep your replies relevant to the topic at hand. If you have another topic to discuss, then start a new thread. Posts that are taken off-topic will likely be offlined and pruned, split, or merged as required to keep some form of order.
There should not be "NWS" or not-work-safe (inappropriate for younger viewers or people who know your real name) content in posts, avatars, or signatures. Many of our members visit from work or school or home where NWS content is not appropriate nor appreciated.
Note that there are to be no pictures, smileys, etc. in your signature. Photos can be posted in the Gallery or linked from your signature. Please keep your signature lines relatively small - three lines or less.
Small avatars may be allowed for certain groups provided they are hosted on the allpar.com site. Limited-time subscription packages are available for those who wish to upload their own avatars. Avatar availability is subject to change at any time. The long-term plan is to only allow subscribers to have avatars. Even for subscribers, avatars deemed to be in poor taste, hostile, counter to the current forum ethic and morals, or "flame-bait" may be removed.
Multiple accounts are not allowed in any way, shape or form (with the exception of the test accounts created by the staff.) Accounts made to bypass a suspension, restriction, or ban will be result in an immediate revocation of all board privileges. Creating an account to pose as another individual is also not acceptable. If you lose access to your account, you can contact the staff at allparforums[at]gmail.com for assistance.
We have a group of people that work for no pay and that strive to provide the members with a good experience at Allpar. Sometimes they may make a decision that you may not agree with. As long as you can air your grievances and complaints like an adult, we welcome the feedback. Everyone makes mistakes and we are not above that rule. If your avatar or signature is removed because it violates the guidelines, replacing it with a line of text complaining about the decision isn't the right way to go about it and will likely earn you another warning. Repeated instances of such behavior may result in suspension of your board privileges. Also note that although folks are forum leaders, moderators, and administrators - they are also MEMBERS. They participate in discussions, answer questions, and also post their own questions. They are subject to the same guidelines listed here.
Attacks on forum moderators or staff may result in warnings if they are especially hostile, aggressive, or unfounded. However, don't be afraid to open up a discussion with a Moderator/Forum Leader. They are not out to get anyone, nor are they volunteering their time for "power trips."
While the Allpar Staff makes an effort to correct issues and problems on the forums, we cannot be everywhere at all hours. On every post in the Allpar Forums is a red button labeled "Report!" If you encounter a member, post, user avatar, or user signature that you feel violates the guidelines presented here, simply click the "Report!" button and fill out the form provided. A message will be sent to the Allpar Staff to alert us to the issue and allow action to be taken if required. Your information will not be made public or revealed outside of the Allpar Staff. Using the "Report!" button allows the forum users to help the staff, and we appreciate those that make the effort to help keep the Allpar Forums an enjoyable place for all.
Allpar may use material you post as part of the permanent (static) pages of any Allpar, LLC web site (most likely allpar.com, valiant.org, acarplace.com, or ptcruizer.com). This right shall pass along to Allpar LLC's successors, if any.
Questions and comments regarding these guidelines can be made in the "Feedback" forum. We appreciate your support.
We are not responsible for any messages posted. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The administrators of these forums are not mechanics or engineers and do not represent themselves as experts. Some people may post advice which is incorrect, misleading, or illegal. We cannot be responsible for these posts. Posts are not moderated prior to posting.
Posts and topics may be removed for any reason. Members may be removed for any reason.
While we cannot prevent posts which may infringe upon intellectual property, etc., we will respond to these issues as well as posts recommending illegal, misleading, foolhardy, or otherwise harmful or irresponsible practices, as well as to the abuse of other servers via posts here (e.g. image pirating or pointers to internal documents). People and organizations wishing to have such messages removed should use the "Report This Post" feature or contact an Administrator via Personal Message or via e-mail at allparforums[at]gmail.com.
The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Allpar, LLC. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by personal message, email, or the "Report" button. We have the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary.
Allpar may use material you post as part of the permanent (static) pages of any Allpar, LLC web site (most likely allpar.com, valiant.org, acarplace.com, or ptcruizer.com). This right shall pass along to Allpar LLC's successors, if any.
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the Allpar forums to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this forum.
Users may at the discretion of moderators and administrators be warned, suspended, and/or banned for hostile, offensive, or inappropriate language, remarks, or content, or for attempts to bypass filters, or for hacking or attempts at hacking.
Please have a good time and don't hurt anyone, and remember that youngsters may be reading. Thank you.
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